The only two things I take exception to are the zooms are OK rule, and the time-lapse takes too much time comment.
Other than that it's a pretty good list.
Jesus... I was counting up how many of those cliches we have in our films... I've ran out of fingers!
The thing is that people like Chuck Workman see all sorts of movies - all the time. the guy is probably so sick of seeing student films that he's lost all passion for the artform!
I've also heard this about gynecologists!
I think that little list sums up just about every film I've ever watched from this message board.
And now you've all heard it from the horses mouth.
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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 29, 2004 02:17 PM: Message edited by: Spoon boy ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My opinion and observation.Watch a student film and notice how often there are long pauses between lines of dialogue. Why is this?
-beginning actors want to show off as much as possible, they think "okay, I only have 42 seconds of screen time and three lines - I better make it stand out"
-they think they ALWAYS have to be "alive", "interesting", and have a "presence"
-many pro actors do this too, but we dont notice it as much because every other element is profesionally executed (music, sound, editing, light,etc). Find a DVD where you can watch a scene being shot, then watch the same pro actors behaving and carrying a real non-scripted conversation, in a behind-the-scene type thing). Chances are, from the script, they were slow, too.
-theyre not actually engaged in the conversation - they're just doing line readings
This is why I like to improv, when possible. It helps eliminate this.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 29, 2004 04:39 PM: Message edited by: GREATwarEAGLE ]</font>
reminds me of windowslaws tbh
(harsh)
yeh I agree to most of the points and at a student level zooms can be useful but other than that a no no
Many of these things dont even have a context.
For example - Zoom - good or bad? It depends, on many things.
I dont agree on the whole music list thing.. I mean... the only thing left is good proffesional songs (which you wont get the rights to) and symphonic orchestra.. come on. No woodblocks, no lone piano, no impish clarinet (whats that?), no lone guitar wtf?
Most student films cant carry having a full orcestra playing.. its just too much. The lone piano or guitar is good, becuase it works for the simple visuals that most of these films have.
In my opinion it depends on weather its well done or not.. and I guess that goes for many of the other points aswell.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 29, 2004 04:51 PM: Message edited by: Christian Marcussen ]</font>
I think a solo instrument played and recorded well works fantastic in some places...
I remember watching this drama series on the bbc and all the way through the score was just a solo piano and it worked great
Mentioning pianos... wasn't the score of Eyes Wide Shut just a single note repeated again and again and again and again... (you get the idea)
that is indeed harsh as i looked at the list and counted 'the one joke film' as the only one we have fallen foul of in any significant way. and that was a 60 second film.
and i'm not a student!!!
however i'm aware that some people will now jump on this and accuse us of it all which i cannot do anything about, so come on then you naysayers!
where is beloved monster by the way?
on another note most obvious culprit of these is 'lost in translation' which falls foul to most.
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